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For Activists, Architects, 9/11 Questions Linger Ten Years Later

With additional reporting by Matthew Cardinale, News Editor.

(APN) ATLANTA -- It will be ten years since September 11, 2001, in just a few months.  And yet some of the most basic and fundamental questions about what happened that day--based upon physics and the forensic science of structural engineering--in the collapse of three towers at the World Trade Center in New York, still linger.
 
Groups such as Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (A&E), founded by Richard Gage; and We Are Change Atlanta want to re-examine the evidence regarding the collapse of all three buildings.  

First, the group is especially interested in new evidence of un-ignited fragments of nano-engineered thermitic pyrotechnics found in debris from the Twin Towers.  The presence of these fragments would be consistent with explosives having been used in a controlled demolition.

Second, the group is also troubled that, in their view, official reports by the US government appear to defy the fundamental laws of physics.

[Before delving into these two sets of issues, an editorial note is in order.  The purpose of this article is not to hypothesize what the real story behind the Towers' collapse is, but to address what we find to be reasonable and compelling questions about the government's official account.]

These issues will be addressed at an upcoming event in Atlanta.  Gage; former US Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA); Luke Rudkowski, founder of We Are Change; and April Gallop, Pentagon survior will speak at First Iconium Baptist Church in East Atlanta on May 21, 2011, from 4-9pm.   

DISCOVERY OF NANO-THERMITE

First, the discovery of thermite and nano-thermitic composites in the dust and debris following the collapse of the three buildings was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal in 2009, as proof that explosives were used in the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Jeremy Lynes, We Are Change Atlanta, explained nano-thermite to Atlanta Progressive News, "Thermite has been around over a century and refers to aluminum's highly energetic reaction to iron when in a certain form.  When ignited, thermite releases large amounts of energy and will destroy iron's integrity fast.  Nano refers to the modern technology of constructing materials much smaller, on the supra-molecular scale, than previously possible, creating chemical reactions never-before imaginable.  Nano-thermite is an advanced type of thermite which is more explosive and gives a faster complete burn."
 
The 2009 article was titled "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe," and was written by Niels Harrit, Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark; Jeffrey Farrer, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University; Steven Jones; Kevin Ryan; Frank Legge; Daniel Farnsworth; Gregg Roberts; James Gourley; and Bradley Larsen.

"The destruction of three skyscrapers (WTC 1, 2 and 7) on September 11, 2001 was an immensely tragic catastrophe that not only impacted thousands of people and families directly, due to injury and loss of life, but also provided the motivation for numerous expensive and radical changes in domestic and foreign policy.  For these and other reasons, knowing what really happened that fateful day is of grave importance," the authors wrote.

The collapse of the towers generated a surprisingly large amount of fine, toxic dust.  Four different Manhattan residents took samples of this dust and later responded to a call for such samples.  

The authors conduct a variety of highly technical tests upon the small red and gray chips they found in the dust, to conclude as follows: "Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material."

The publication of this article was highly controversial, leading to the resignation of editor-in-chief, Marie-Paule Pileni, who had no specific scientific rebuttal to the article.  And for many activists, architects, and engineers who had already believed that explosives were involved in the collapse of the three towers, it confirmed their suspicions.

ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS SEE CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

The US government's official explanation of how terrorists came to hijack two planes and fly them into two buildings is provided in the 9/11 Commission Report.  But its explanation of how those two plane collisions led to the buildings later collapsing into their own footprint is provided by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

The NIST official report on 9/11 states that a "total progressive collapse or disproportionate collapse" occurred in WTC 1, 2, and 7, as in each case the entire building above the damaged area moved downward as a single unit.

Three buildings collapsed on 9/11, although only two were hit by a plane.  

A growing chorus of activists, scholars, architects, and engineers--including several groups and activists in Atlanta--have been questioning the official account by NIST of how the three towers fell.
 
In WTC 1, NIST states fires weakened the core columns and caused the floors on the south side to sag.  Other neighboring columns became overloaded and columns on the south wall buckled causing the top section of the building to tilt and begin its descent.
 
In WTC 2, NIST states fires caused the floors on the east side of the building to buckle and sag, which pulled neighboring columns and caused them to buckle causing the top section to tilt and begin its descent.
 
In WTC 7, NIST states fire-induced thermal expansion of the floor system surrounding column 79 led to the collapse of floor 13 which triggered a cascade of floor failures.
 
Last September, Derek Johnson, Structural Steel Inspector & Mechanical Engineer, visited Atlanta to make a multi-media presentation at the historic Plaza Theater on Ponce de Leon Avenue in Midtown, which called into question the official government report on the collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7.  250 people attended the event hosted by We Are Change Atlanta.

Johnson's presentation blasted holes in NIST's report of a fire-induced total progressive collapse.  

"NIST's conclusion of a fire-induced collapse of building 7 is based on computer simulation and not on physical evidence that can be tested and confirmed by others.  NIST manipulated the computer inputs by using unrealistic values for the weight, strength, and flexibility of steel and concrete in their model," Johnson said.  

"The model NIST used was more representative of Lincoln Logs that fall like a house of cards than the very strong welted and bolted large steel beams used throughout WTC 7," Johnson explained.
 
"The three buildings that were destroyed on 9/11 were designed and built using fire resistance plans that were thorough and continually updated, and that ensured the buildings could not fail from fires," Johnson said.
 
WTC 7 was not hit by a plane and received only minor damage from the falls of WTC 1 and 2.  WTC 7 did exhibit all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives, such as rapid onset of collapse, sounds of explosions, free-fall acceleration, and collapsing completely in its own footprint with expanding pyroclastic dust clouds.

WTC 7 housed Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) files relating to numerous Wall Street investigations including Enron, Citigroup, and WorldCom.  All files and evidence from government agencies in WTC7 such as the CIA, Secret Service, DOD, and INS were destroyed.
 
Other high-rise building with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed.  WTC 4, which was next to WTC 2, was destroyed by tons of falling and buring debris with large permanent deformations and sagging of many beams, but it did not collapse.

WTC 5 was also destroyed by extensive fire-related damage, but it did not collapse.
 
Johnson reported "NIST would not release over three thousand documents on their investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 to Ron Brookman, a structural engineer... NIST's reason for refusing to release the documents was that it might jeopardize public safety."
 
"This is the first time in history that a steel and concrete framed building has collapsed due to office fires where one damaged column caused a total progressive collapse of the entire building at near free fall speed," Mike Smith, an Atlanta-based electrical engineer and member of A&E, said.
 
"If the official story of the collapse of the towers is true," Mr. Lynes said, "then the top floors, above the plane's impact, acted like a pile driver of incredible pressure, forcing its way to the ground through the other ninety floors at free fall speed--impossible, according to laws of conservation of energy.  Therefore, after this demolishing, the top twenty or thirty stories would be sitting atop the rubble intact.  Since they were not, it shows they were not the cause of the collapse."

The South Tower collapsed at 9:59 am and the North Tower collapsed at 10:28 am, while building 7 collapsed at 5:21 pm. The WTC7 collapsed in under seven seconds, while The Twin Towers collapsed somewhere between 8.5 and fifteen seconds.
 
"The accelerated speeds of collapses evident in videos of all three buildings prove that these are not progressive collapses as the government contends.  In a progressive collapse a failed structure will encounter resistance--thousands of tons of steel and concrete--and exhibit jolts which will slow down, not accelerate, its decent and will not disintegrate symmetrically into its own footprint.  The government's miraculous steel and concrete disintegration theory is fraudulent science.  Only in a controlled implosion, using explosives to remove the internal support system, will you get the free-fall speed and vertical decent leaving only a pile of dust and rubble," Smith said.
 
"The rate of free fall or the gravitational acceleration of Earth is 9.8 meters per second per second, or 9.8/s^2 without air friction coefficients or drag.  It is impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near free-fall time of 8.5 to 15 seconds," Smith explained.

In addition to the speed and symmetry of the collapse of WTC 7 and the Twin Towers, many eye witnesses, firefighters, and police officers reported hearing violent explosions from all three building before they fell.

"Amazing, incredible... For the third time today, it's reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before where a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down," Dan Rather of CBS News said, for example, according to a clip posted widely on Youtube.

LOCAL 9/11 TRUTH ACTIVISM
 
The Pink Elephant Collective, a group of local artists, painted a 9/11 Pink Elephant Mural on the wall at Euclid and Colquitt Avenues in Atlanta's Little Five Points during the summer of 2010.  The mural shows several pink elephants drudging through oil, with the words "9-11 Truth" and "Nano-thermite?"

Camron Wiltshire, a member of the Pink Elephant Collective, said, "We painted the mural as a means to connect directly with people on the street and to have an authentic discussion of the facts.  It is a visual invocation to awaken the heroic within us all and look at the evidence being brought forward by concerned citizens all over the world."
 
"The US is now immersed in two illegal wars of occupation and 9/11 is given as the righteous precedence, for our invasion, destruction, and occupation of these sovereign countries.  Over one million innocent Iraqi men, women, and children have been murdered by our tax funded military occupation, not to mention the thousands of US soldiers and public servants.  If we can be brave and look for ourselves at the evidence, we can begin fixing our country," Wiltshire said.
 
"The mainstream media is not willing to look at the evidence and spends much of its efforts demonizing or smearing anyone who is speaking out," Wiltshire said.

A CODE OF SILENCE

Since 9/11, there has been a code of silence surrounding any questions towards the accuracy of the US government's official account.  This code of silence has been antithetical to the very values of freedom of speech, democracy, and open inquiry which are fundamental to our country.

Indeed, when former US Rep. McKinney asked in a 2002 radio interview what the President knew and when he know it, she was viciously attacked, and this led to her electoral defeat by former US Rep. Denise Majette (D-GA) in 2002.

A February 2010 article in the American Behavioral Scientist, “Beyond Conspiracy Theory: Patterns of High Crime in American Government,” by Lance deHaven-Smith, Professor of Public Administration at Florida State University, examines the characteristics of what he refers to as State Crimes Against Democracy (SCAD).  SCAD is a term intended to replace the term conspiracy theory, because government agencies frequently engage in illegal conspiracies as a proven fact.

DeHaven-Smith includes 9/11 as a suspected SCAD in a list of actual and suspected SCADs.

SCADs involve high-level government officials, often in combination with private interests, that engage in covert activities for political advantages and power, according to deHaven-Smith.  Proven SCADs since World War II include McCarthyism, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, burglary of the office of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist in effort to discredit Ellsberg, the Watergate break-in, Iran-Contra, Florida’s 2000 Election (felon disenfranchisement program), and fixed intelligence on weapons of mass destruction to justify the US invasion of Iraq.

“Research shows that people are far less willing to examine information that disputes, rather than confirms, their beliefs... pre-existing beliefs can interfere with SCADs inquiry, especially in regards to September 11, 2001," Psychologist Laurie Manwell, University of Guelph, wrote, also in an article in the same February 2010 issue of ABS.

Professor Steven Hoffman, visiting scholar at the University of Buffalo, expanded upon this in his ABS article, “There Must Be a Reason: Osama, Saddam and Inferred Justification.”

“Our data shows substantial support for a cognitive theory known as ‘motivated reasoning,’ which suggests that rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief, people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe.  In fact, for the most part people completely ignore contrary information," Hoffman wrote.

The present APN article is intended to increase citizens' awareness of the lingering questions, architectural analyses, and new physical evidence as it relates to 9/11.  It is hoped that this article may advance public discourse and lead to an open conversation, including in the comments section of this article.

(END / 2011)


Comments (147)

Said this on 4-30-2011 At 06:30 pm

This is an amazing Article!! Its so crucial for us to start having these discussions as we enter more useless wars that the american people pay for with their paychecks, pensions, their freedoms and their lives!

So many people died that day and subsequently millions died. SO many innocent civilians, soldiers children its just ridiculous what's become of this. TSA patting us down. Patriot act allowing the govt to spy on us all of this because of 911 like WE are the terrorist. Thank you Atlanta Progressive News for being willing to report this!!!

Said this on 5-16-2011 At 05:33 pm

Here's something very important and hopeful that's coming up soon:

http://torontohearings.org/

Here's an incredible recent interview with this guy:

Dr. Steven R. Pieczenik

Dr. Pieczenik trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an M.D. from Cornell University Medical College and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T. He was the first psychiatrist ever to receive a PhD. focusing on international relations. He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker.

During his career as a senior State Department official, Dr. Pieczenik utilized his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.

Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.

Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter’s successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was a chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.

Dr. Pieczenik has started several successful companies, employing his methodologies in various industries, including investment banking, publishing and television/film.

Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling Tom Clancy’s Op-Center and Tom Clancy’s Net Force book series. He is also one of the world’s most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for four U.S. administrations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d679JVfRcOM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynVu5HXjUKI&feature=player_embedded

Said this on 4-30-2011 At 06:52 pm

Thank you very much to Atlanta Progressive News and Gloria Tatum especially, for covering this most crucial issue of our time.  It is proof positive that the movement to reinvestigate 9/11 is now reaching a critical mass here in America.  This is evidenced by the thousands of professionals ranging from architects, engineers, pilots, firefighters, first responders, eye witnesses, chemists, physicists, lawyers, actors, artists, celebrities, military officials, 9/11 commissioners  (6 of 10 doubt the "official" story) 9/11 victims family members, Clergy & Theologians, Police Officers, FBI, CIA, Senators, Congress people, International leaders and everyday American's that question openly the implausibility of the "official" conspiracy theory  of 9/11 as provided by the 9/11 (c)Omission report.  A report that was most aptly described by theologian Davd Ray Griffin as a, "571 page lie".  Most notable is the complete absence of mention of the "immaculate collape" of Building 7, WTC 7 also known as the Solomon Brothers building, in the  supposed accounting of all of the details of that fated day.   For anyone who wants to examine the evidence for themselves please join us Saturday May 21st from 4-9pm @ The First Iconium Baptist Church in East Atlanta (Corner of Moreland and Glenwood) for "Engineering Change: A Blueprint for 9/11 Truth".  Please visit WeAreChangeAtlanta.com for more information and please let us know if there are any questions you may have.  Thank you again to APN and Gloria for this thorough and inspirational article, which gives an accurate and unbiased assessment as to the meaning and purpose of the 9/11 truth movement.   "There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come"  Please Examine The Evidence for yourselves and become informed by watching "Blueprint for Truth" by the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. AE911Truth.org  Thank you!!

 

Phillip
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 01:27 am

How refreshing to read an analysis that is scientifically astute and unbiased in its assessment of this critical event. Perhaps I have finally discovered the long hoped-for local news & editorial source that is worth promoting and recommending to friends here and elsewhere.

I do know that I will soon be "chipping in" to support this brave and vital information venue. Special thanks to the editorial staff at Atlanta Progressive News!

 

Debra B
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 03:31 am

I remember having a heated debate with people about how likely was it, that such a tall building would implode like that.  The response I received? 'What difference does it make?' 

The onslaught on Iraqi soil and the demise of their leader based on this information is extremely sad.  We shouldn't worry about outside enemies or immigrants/aliens.  These events, particularly  WTC 7,would prove the enemy is within. 

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 12:18 pm

Wow Debra!  Unfotunately I think that is the idea most people have.  They are too scared to admit there might be something wrong because then they would have to take personal responsibility.  Also, then there would not be this ability to project negative sterotypes and racism towards another group of people.  Without a doubt people love a good scapegoat.

Steve
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 07:29 am

Bravo, Matthew Cardinale! What an article! Unbiased analysis is so refreshing. Like Phillip said, I am spreading the word about this site. Thanks to Mr. Cardinale for the article, and WACA for their hard work!

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 07:41 am

Sunder on What Controlled Demolition Looks Like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZrcDTjkIhI
Sunder's Silverish Molten Metal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ8OCtzGgk4
We Have the Results and Only We Have
 the Results - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk
What lying looks like on this scale...
 
Sunder on What Controlled Demolition Looks Like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZrcDTjkIhI

Sunder's Silverish Molten Metal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ8OCtzGgk4

We Have the Results and Only We Have the Results - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdJuQLNFCk

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 12:08 pm

It is indeed refreshing that a mainstream newspaper would dare to give the voice to those who question the official account on 9/11.  I would like to mention a fact that no mainstream publication has dared to ask.  That question is surprisingly simple:  What is the evidence that the 19 alleged hijackers of 9/11 actually boarded the aircraft that they have been accused to hijack?  The answer is now provided in a comprehensive examination of this question: There is no evidence for this claim. Period.  See:  No evidence that Muslims hijacked planes on 9/11.  It would be great if Atlanta Progressive News would make its readers aware of this fact.

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 12:22 pm

There is also the evidence of the people who hijacked the planes still being alive and many of them have in fact been found to be NOT the hijackers....but again, where is the mainstream media coverage?

We must always remember what Noam Chomsky points out in manufacturing consent- who funds the media.  Much like who funds the politicians, these people will have control over what is projected from the television.  The anchors don't care, they just want a job like any other good teleprompter reader.

Also, similarly, we don't bite the hand that feeds us so alternative media is crucial to fighting back against unlimited funds.

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 12:40 pm

It is true that individuals with names of people alleged to have hijacked the planes have presented themselves alive.  This does not mean, however, that their namesakes, or that individuals using their names, have boarded the aircraft.  There is no evidence of Arab names on authentic passenger lists, boarding cards, and no eyewitnesses who saw them board the aircraft.   It is equally proven that at least some of the alleged hijacking pilots did NOT board the aircraft and could not have accomplished the tasks attributed to them.

Albury
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 08:44 pm

Are the airlines' own passenger manifests, which were introduced into evidence in the Moussaoui trial, "authentic" enough for you, Elias, or were American and United Airlines in on the plot too? 4 of the 9/11 hijackers had FAA commercial pilot certificates, and "the tasks attributed to them" were pretty routine in perfect weather when someone else had already handled the takeoff. 

Why is your "truth movement" defending al Qaeda when they seem pretty pleased with what they did?

http://ee.1asphost.com/raehatualmisk/19.html

The bin Ladens, Azzams, and al-Zawahiris are very wealthy and powerful families in SA and Egypt respectively, so are they just too bashful to speak up in defense of their relatives, or don't they have access to the world's media? 

allblurry smith gormless shill
Said this on 5-11-2011 At 04:45 am

funny how you can still be alive after flying a plane into a building.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

for more luls, google "albury smith 9/11" to see just what allblurry does for a job.  sad gormless shill.

Albury
Said this on 5-11-2011 At 07:55 am

Why don't you record interviews with some of the 19 men on the FBI's corrected list issued after September 27, 2001, gormless? There were problems with mistaken identities because of misspellings, aliases, people with the same name, etc. for more than two weeks until all of the corrections were made, but interviews with the live ones on the current list would be worth a fortune.

Enemy of Cognitive Dissonance
Said this on 6-7-2011 At 05:30 pm

Hey Albury would you like to explain why the supposed best fake pilot trainee of them all, Hani Hanjour, was flatly denied being allowed to rent a small propeller plane about a month before 9/11 because he was so laughably incompetent? Would you like to explain why out of all of the "hijacker pilots" there was not a one of them who was the least bit skilled in flying a Piper Cub and to an individual had never sat in the cockpit of a plane with jet engines let alone flown one, yet we are expected to believe on that one magical morning in September they could fly jet airliners like experts who had been flying them for years?


And would you please explain why the world's most technologically advanced air force was as useless that one morning as if they had been flying biplanes? When in the 12 months before 9/11 they had responded within a few minutes to any information about a civilian aircraft going off of its flight plan no less than SIXTY-SEVEN times? But not the one time when it actually mattered? Or why the chief of the Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) decided to have his deputy take over for a few hours that one particular morning? Or why the Air Force was conducting exercises on that one particular morning that involved many fighter jets from the northeastern U.S. just happening to be transferred days earlier up to Alaska, far out of reach on 9/11? Or why by the Air Force's own admission it sent fighters aloft that morning without ammo for their guns, without missiles on their racks, and told NOT to use afterburner but to fly FAR out of the way instead of straight to Manhattan? Or why the Air Force gave the 9/11 whitewash Commission no less than four separate contradictory timelines of its supposed actions that morning?

Or maybe try explaining how "Flight 93" vanished into a crater in Shanksville with nothing but a hole in the ground visible yet all kinds of "evidence" was "found" in the crater like 1.a "hijacker's" passport; 2.a "hijacker's" Saudi Arabian youth hostel card; 3.a pen knife disguised as a lighter; and 4.(my personal favorite) a red bandanna supposedly worn by the "hijackers"? But no effing airliner? Airliner disintegrates into practically nothingness but yet these bits of "incriminating evidence" that the government can use to say "See?? See?? There really WERE Arab hijackers on the plane!" managed to survive? If you believe the government's transparently bogus official story you sould like a man who would be interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge from me, no paperwork needed OK? Just hand the money over and we'll call it a deal.

Albury
Said this on 6-7-2011 At 05:58 pm

Hani Hanjour was issued a commercial pilot certificate by the FAA in April, 1999 for his hours and proficiency in cockpit simulators for Boeing wide-bodied twins. He couldn't hang glide or ice skate so hot either, but his remains were found in the wreckage of AA 77 inside the Pentagon:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177724

Here's a good start on the explanation for no NORAD intercepts, or those airliner shoot-downs that they do in US airspace so frequently:

http://cleartheskies.com/timeline.html

The order to land wasn't given for all of the US until 9:45, ~8 minutes after AA 77 crashed, and pilots from Langley and Otis were ordered to NYC well after it was too late to do anything there. It was illegal to exceed the sound barrier, and doesn't matter when you're going the wrong way, but be sure to put all of the NORAD guys on your list of 9/11 "conspirators." 

Your claim of "no effing airliner" at Shanksville ignores way too much evidence as well as eyewitness accounts from thousands, but be sure to put United Airlines on that conspirators list, along with all of those people too:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page... [click pages 2 and 3]

There's something seriously wrong with "no-planers," not that the rest of the 9/11 "truth movement" is much better.

Enemy of Cognitive Dissonance
Said this on 6-7-2011 At 06:58 pm

Eyewitnesses? Like the first responders who said "This was a plane crash? Where's the plane?" Have you bothered to look at photos of the crater? Where in that crater do you see a crumpled up airliner? All I've seen is a hole in the ground. And miraculously they pull out "evidence" from the crater that was pristine and used in the Moussaui trial. Like the magic passport, the magic hostel card, the magic pen knife and the magic bandanna right? And you see no problem with any of that surviving but an enormous airliner vanishing into nothing? Really? Wow.

Said this on 6-7-2011 At 08:10 pm
United Airlines really needs to talk to you, since they think their 757 was crashed at Shanksville. Silly them:
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page...
 
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page...
 
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/flight93page...
James Randi
Said this on 8-20-2011 At 10:09 pm

Albury Smith - Grow up you pathetic gormless shill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

Enemy of Cognitive Dissonance
Said this on 6-7-2011 At 05:43 pm

FAA commercial pilot certificates? Surely you aren't inferring that any of them had a commercial pilot's LICENSE are you? Because not a one of them had even flown ANYTHING with jet engines and were pretty unskilled at even trying to manage flying Piper Cubs. Hani Hanjour was denied a rental at Bowie airport in Maryland a month before 9/11. Because he was dangerously incompetent. This was supposedly the best of them, the one who pulled off the strike on the Pentagon, remember? The one who we are supposed to believe zoomed down in some corkscrew spiral to just a few feet above the ground before hitting the side of the building on the first floor? With radar operators thinking it was a fighter jet because of its maneuverability?

And by the way, why would any "terrorist hijacker" who wants to inflict massive death and destruction on Americans NOT aim for the Pentagon's roof??? When the roof was by far a larger, easier target to swoop down at than what Hanjour is alleged to have done, hitting it in the ground floor on the side of the building. And when crashing down into the roof would have caused much greater death and destruction.

And ask yourself "Why did the "terrorists" hit the one wedge of the Pentagon that was under renovation at the time, with much less personnel present, instead of one of the other four wedges that were fully manned? And why did they hit the one wedge that had recently been structurally reinforced to better prevent a fire from spreading elsewhere in the building? And why did they hit the point in the building farthest away from where Rumsfeld's office was? And why in the f**k have we not seen dozens of videotapes from the Pentagon's admitted 85+ cameras pointing at the crash site instead of a dinky little five still frames mashed together which show the tail of SOMETHING (looking too small to be a Boeing 757) conveniently hidden behind a tollbooth, then disappearing, then a computer-generated "explosion"? If "Flight 77" really did hit the Pentagon we should have been seeing it for years now from about twenty different angles so what gives?"

Said this on 6-7-2011 At 06:11 pm

They only had to steer and navigate an already airborne plane in nearly perfect weather conditions, and had more than sufficient training to do it.

You cannot refute a single claim at these 2 pages:

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonf...

Were AA 11 and UA 175 faked too? Jeezus; how did "they" do that?

Enemy of Cognitive Dissonance
Said this on 6-7-2011 At 07:04 pm

Something obviously crashed into the Twin Towers. The only video footage we've seen is of the South Tower crash and it appears to be using a 767 airframe, as that was the only one that absolutely HAD to look pretty realistic as it was intended to be videotaped. However, the clearest photos of it show two rather large white antennae on its underside that aren't supposed to be there. Antennae as would be used for remotely controlling the aircraft. When the only footage of any of the four "airliners" shows antennae on its underside you have a problem.

And no, they didn't just have to steer the airliners. As noted and as has been reported in the mainstream media the "airliner" that the Pentagon refuses to show us footage of made an intricate maneuver that radar operators even said looked like a fighter plane in its maneuverability and "Hanjour" deliberately took a vastly more difficult task in trying to corkscrew down to ground level and zoom along at several hundred miles per hour just a few feet off the ground when he could have killed MANY more people MUCH EASIER by crashing down into the roof. Care to explain why he did that? Was he a humanitarian terrorist who wanted to kill Americans but not TOO many Americans? And wanted to make sure he spared Don Rumsfeld? Or what?

Said this on 6-7-2011 At 08:29 pm

The "intricate maneuver" was circling around after he screwed up and came in too high. He killed 125 people inside, and all 64 on the plane, so what else do you want? Was American Airlines just being generous when they paid claims to victims inside who weren't covered by the 9/11 VCF?

Why didn't your imaginary perps just fake a surveillance video with a 757 in it? At ~800fps, planes don't leave more than a blur on a low-resolution security video. Duh...

Albury Smith is a troll and a shill
Said this on 8-26-2011 At 01:01 am

Albury is an "expert" on all things 911 but wont stake his reputation on anything he says, he cant win a debate, and hes never flown a plane.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHLiMl7u8R0

Former Air Force fighter pilot Russ Wittenberg, who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam, sat in the cockpit for Pan Am and United for ... all » over 30 years, and previously flew two of the actual airplanes that were allegedly hijacked on 9/11 (United Airlines Flight 175 & 93), does not believe the government's official 9/11 conspiracy theory... RUSS WITTENBERG: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11... Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for... a so-called terrorist to train on a 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns,.. pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's... I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."

 

Said this on 8-26-2011 At 08:18 am
"Russ" should share his knowledge with American and United Airlines, and the thousands who witnessed the wreckage and bodies.
Albury Brainless
Said this on 8-29-2011 At 02:47 am

Im sure hed gladly share it with a judge and jury, along with hundreds more professionals, experts, eyewitnesses.. you could be an expert for the defense if you like, youd last two minutes...that would be a laugh.

but unlike all these people, youre too scared to show your face. I guess  its not a hard choice to decide who to believe then is it? All these people who risk their reputations, their livelihoods, their lives.. or a gormless shill like Albury Smith.

Said this on 8-29-2011 At 08:01 am
Whether AA 77 hit the Pentagon or not has already been tried numerous times. American Airlines has paid victims of it, and a frivolous lawsuit claiming that it didn't was recently thrown out with prejudice in Connecticut. If April Gallop appeals, she and her lawyers will be fined and/or imprisoned.

 

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=...
talk2handbiatch
Said this on 8-29-2011 At 10:56 am

no one talkin about flight 77  - troll

 

talking about putting your face to your lies. talking about credibility. shill

credibility

you have none. youre a confirmed, irrefutable, pathetic lying shill.

thats the facts.   get over it.

Said this on 8-29-2011 At 11:29 am
You have no credibility if you're claiming that any of the hijacked airliners was faked.
shill stalker
Said this on 3-13-2012 At 06:59 am

can you offer ANY forensic evidence to the court that links any of the planes said to be involved that day?

 

NO

 

stfu... noone cares what you THINK!

 

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/911-facts/48/...

Shill Stalker
Said this on 3-22-2012 At 12:09 am

as evidenced by his inordinate amount of official spin regurgitation, ( a quick google for albury smith 911 will show a history of his commenting on every blog concerning 911, posting the same lies, distortions and obfuscations ad nauseam, 24/7 ) this shows that he is either paid to do this or has severe mental disabilities, as pointed out by most everyone who has the misfortune to have ever crossed paths with the unflushable turd, and is as obvious as is the explosive destruction of the 3 towers that day.

the only people who would argue against a transparent, unfettered independent investigation into the events of 911 are those with a vested interest in supressing the truth.

frankly, to hope that albury would voluntarily disclose such things as his real name and qualifications, to add just the slightest credence to anything he says, is as likely as there will ever be credible proof beyond all reasonable doubt that bin laden was killed in may of 2011.

ie; NONE

there is irefutable evidence that the events of 911 did not happen as we are being told,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jazdG3-ZETM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iND-b8Q3jc

but despite that, and despite not being asked, albury will continue to offer his unqualified, anonymous opinion, as if he is the final arbiter of truth, in relation to ANYTHING to do with 911. a self proclaimed expert..

its so pathetic, if it wasnt for the fact that on the backs of the lies of that fateful day, hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children have been killed, civil and constitutional rights have been shredded, and the world has been subjected to a never ending war of terror, it would be funny.


This video puts to rest ALL of alburys arguments and shows exactly why 911 needs a proper investigation.
Professor Daniele Ganser (Switzerland) - 10 Years After 9/11 The Official Account Does Not Add Up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 12:27 pm

There is no question, certainly not in my Marxist mind, that imperialism will visit on its own citizens any number of horrendous events in the interest of maintaining its economic system and bourgeois class existence; evidence the history of its depredations against other peoples before this event and those continuing after including Iraq, Afghanistan, the many years of crimes against the Palastinians, and now Libya.

There is of course the crime against Africans that lay the economic basis for U.S. imperialism, their kidnapping and transport to this continent to be used as slaves.

Those crimes of course lead to violent and justified opposition; the worse the crime the greater, in inverse measure as Trotsky once pointed out, the social reaction.

So it does not suprise me if Ben Laden or other opponents of imperialism's latest crusades in Africa and Asia were at the root of the aircraft attacks on the towers. Although terribly bad tactics, yet heroic deeds despite the immediate deaths of thousands, most of whom had no direct connection to the crusades. They were only there as employees in order to obtain the means of their continued existence. For those in the towers engaged in money market activities, tough luck. They got what their greed deserved.

Not very different than the heroic attacks on slavery of Nat Turner and John Brown.

Continuing in the social political vein I want to say that although they had no direct connection to imperialism's depradation's the folks that died were in part responsible for the event and their own deaths. I say that in the same sense that descendants of slavery in this country demand reparations for the enslavement of their ancestors, a demand that is perfectly justified in that most of us, if we have not spent our lives fighting the continuation of that slavery, i.e., the various expressions of racism and discrimination even today, the benefits that we who are not Black obtain (Willing and conscious or not), justify the demands for reparations, even for separation, although the latter would be a bad tactic.

I raise all this because the fate of the towers and those in them cannot be separated from this discussion of what caused the collapse. I raise this because laying the blame, in the sense of the mechanics of the collapse, on U.S. imperialism in order to justify Iraq and Afghanistan and the "war on terrorism" denegrates and denies the brilliance and heroism of those who carried out and died in the attacks.

So I am impelled to honor those who drove those planes although the tactic created additional problems for those of us seeking to bring down, not towers, but the entire ediface of capitalism and world imperialism, in just the same manner that the Bolsheviks honored the women that assasinated a Czar.

If Khalid Mohammad, the alleged terrorist who it is said has admitted to planning those attacks gets the New York trial he deserves, or even a kangaroo military hearing in Guantanamo, his best defense is innocense based on necessity, the necessity of waking this country up to the need to bring down this government and economic system and replace it with socialism and production for need not profit.

If that were made clear to a New York jury I would bet they would vote to acquit.

My bet would be that even Cynthia's first reaction to that attack was a great wave of elation, at last, at last somebody has managed to kick the beast in his balls.

That having been said let me offer some words on the collapse of the three buildings.

In regard to building seven it is often forgotten that the long burning fire in that building was the result of a huge tank containing thousands of gallons of diesel fuel that was there for emergency generators to provide power for the emergency management facility that New York's government had installed in that building rather than as is usual, in some concrete and steel fortified underground bunker.

I don't know if that buildings structure was the same as for one and two but in comparing their fall to that of the usual intentional building demolitions virtually the entire structure and weight of those buildings rested on their central core. Take out or soften the core and down they go as engineers have pointed out many times before.

As to the thermite. Thermite is usually used in welding not as an explosive. It is not an explosive because its action is too slow consisting of using the ignition of aluminum powder as a stage in the melting of iron or steel powder. The power of explosives is contained in the rapid ignition of the materials and the vast, forceful, explosive expansion of the gases thus created.  As a young boy in Brooklyn in the days of tracked trolleys I used to delight in watching the welding of trolley track with a powder, which I later learned was thermite, which process produced a brilliant light and sparks. I don't believe I have ever heard of it being used as an explosive. Certainly, given the vast array of explosives available why use a relatively rare material generally involved in welding?

Would thermite have been used in the construction of that building?

Then there is the question of placement. Anybody who has ever watched the preparation of a building for implosion, a common demolition process these days, knows it takes days to place charges in carefully located spots all over the structure which has already been stripped of cover in order to get at the structural elements.

Just how would the executors of such a demolition of the towers have gotten to the many necessary locations for such an explosive demolition in a building that is occupied without being noticed?

How would they have been able to bring in the large quantities of explosive materials without being noticed?

Even more difficult, just how would they have been able to plan the explosion to coincide with the planned attack with aircraft?

I could answer my last question myself but is it necessary.

One last issue. There would have had to be extensive access to those buildings of many people to prepare them, given their occupation, probably many months. If so why did no one notice any of the associated comings and goings? And why the difficulty and risk of preparing three buildings? One would have achieved the same political outcome.

If those who seek to blame the event on the U.S. government do so because they abhor that government why is it necessary to shift the actual demolition to that government? Is it not enough to recognize that the buildings were brought down by heroic persons who justifiably hate this government, and all to often its citizens who don't actively seek to bring down their government as they should in order to halt its imperialist crimes?

I have a further question. Why is a group seeking to get answers blaming this government for the destruction using the election terminology "change" of the imperialist war criminal and murderer Obama? What does that suggest about their underlying politics and purpose?

It is sufficient to recognize that the buildings were brought down as a result of the murderous behavior of this government and our failure to remove that government and underlying economy which is the cause of its crimes.

Rather than waste time and energy seeking to blame the demolition on this government as a direct and purposeful act is it not sufficient to recognize that in either case, internal or external, this government is the cause?

Would it not be more productive to build political organizations to bring down capitalism and introduce socialism, i.e., a labor party based on the labor unions, even in their diminished numbers still the strongest social force in this country; and as well a revolutionary socialist party that would be so undemocratic as to remove, try, and hang both Democrats and Republicans, and install a government of neighborhood and factory councils of action whose purpose would be to serve that class that is the source of all the wealth, the working class, and also to serve the workers and peasants of the rest of the world repairing the damage done by this imperialist government.

That seems to me a better purpose than the useless diversion into conspiracy theories that are technically very improbable.

Bottom line!

Four groups of anti imperialist heroes drove four planes loaded with huge amounts of fuel into three buildings, the two towers and the Pentagon. Honor them as anti-imperialist heroes despite their bad tactics by doing what they sought to do, bring down U.S. imperialism.

Organize a labor party with a socialist program and a revolutionary socialist party as the theoretical arm of working class revolution and bring down this government and U.S. imperialism.

Jack Jersawitz

404-892-1238

bigjackjj@yahoo.com

 

 

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 12:47 pm

No person in his right mind, and particularly no one dedicated to combatting imperialism, would consider individuals who commit mass-murder of civilians as heroes.   The above post represents one of the techniques used by government provocateurs to appear more radical than everyone else, while in fact attempting to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.  Beware of such dirty tricks.

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 05:37 pm

Thank You to Gloria Tatum for writing such an important article, and Thank You to the Editor at APN who allowed this to be published.  People are waking up to the controlled corporate media and this is why more are turning to sources like APN to get accurate news and information. 

Elias-  Jack said he was a Marxist (Communist) and that he still believes that a member of the Saudi Royal family is still living in a cave in Afghanistan, probably changing the batteries in his Walkie Talkie at this very moment.  

Check out this quote from Jack's novel.

"That seems to me a better purpose than the useless diversion into conspiracy theories that are technically very improbable."

Jack-  You are the only person here who believes in the "Pancake THEORY" which has been worse than used to kill millions of innocent victims around the world.  We believe in the LAWS of Physics and Gravity.  I only have one question for you Jack.  Do you also believe in Arlen Specter's "Magic Bullet THEORY" as well?

9/-- TRUTH NOW!!!

Daniel Edd Bland III

 

 

Albury
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 08:22 pm
I think it's time to investigate some of the bizarre and absurd claims made by Richard Gage, not the three WTC hi-rise collapses on 9/11, since they've already been thoroughly investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST scientists and engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242', of the collapse of WTC 7's facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet Gage and others in the 9/11 "truth movement" claim that the entire 610' collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368' fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time to the nearest 1/10 of a second for the entire collapse when NIST couldn't because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
How can he claim that the towers nearly free fell when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each one were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground. Was g miraculously increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4
 
yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He's also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were "pyroclastic," but there are no reports of anyone's skin being instantly peeled off, and he's claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:
 
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc
 
How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was less than 100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn't leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevator shafts, has he even looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so he's not even making sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower's main collapse was over.  
We should investigate the nonsense coming from Richard Gage, as well as his "engineers."
 
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12
steve
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 08:46 pm

Richard is calling for a new investigation. Nothing unpatriotic in that.

Albury
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 08:54 pm

I questioned his honesty, sanity, and command of simple facts, not his patriotism, Steve. Please feel free to explain some of his absurdities that I pointed out in the post you're responding to, or is serial lying acceptable to you?

Said this on 5-1-2011 At 08:50 pm

Albury, I've seen you on so many website's commenting and doing this.  What is driving you to prevent a investigation into the worst crime in our lives?  What could be pushing you to want NO clear investigation, NO answers, and NO justice?  The only reason you could be doing this is if you DON'T want OTHERS to hear the truth.  Richard Gage and 1,500 Architects and Engineers have put their lives, careers, and reputations on the line.  And you're here spreading disinformation about them.  What is your agenda?

Albury
Said this on 5-1-2011 At 08:57 pm

Who's stopping you from conducting your own investigations?

Said this on 5-3-2011 At 04:57 pm

come ask him yourself!  Saturday May 21st 2011.  Man it's amazing how the same people show up wherever we go!! First they Laugh at you, They they fight you, Then you Win!

 

Glad be heading to stage 3.

Albury
Said this on 5-3-2011 At 07:44 pm

You could win on here right now just by addressing the questions I posted on May 1 at 8:22 PM, Camron. Please explain how anyone timed WTC 7's facade collapse in 6.5 or 6.6 seconds, for starters. Did your "researchers" just think everyone who might look at the videos of it was blind or too stupid to read a timer? I've watched every video I've had access to, and the total time appears to have been around 9 seconds, but it's impossible to tell to the nearest 1/10 second because the bottom is blocked in every video by the dust clouds that developed later in the collapse, and by buildings in the foreground. I don't see how you win by telling such obvious lies, and by doing it so often. Collapse times have nothing to do with finding out what caused the collapse, but since there are people who think they do, shouldn't they at least get the times right?

Said this on 5-3-2011 At 09:27 pm

I would be happy to address this but first you must pass a test yourself. How is it possible for Building 7 to fall through itself at free fall for the first 2.25 seconds as admitted by NIST?  This is for the first 108 ft or ~ 8 stories of the building.    What force in nature could remove simultaneously all of the core columns simultaneously to enable this "immaculate" implosion to occur given the known laws of physics?  Remember Building 7 was a Massive building, each floor is approximately a football field in size.  It was a hardened emergency operations center, I don't think they would design it to collapse because of random office fires.  For anyone who wants to know what the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth have to say please watch Blueprint for Truth and be sure to come out to our event, and  ask questions directly. Unlike NIST, we don't shy away from answering questions or hide our methods of collecting or coding data. (You don't think it's odd they won't share their computer code for how they generated their models of the implosion?, if they have nothing to hide let us see the code)

For those who want to get into the nitty gritty details, please watch Mechanical Engineer Tony Szamboti's presentation at the recent RememberBuilding7.org conference in Hartford, CT.

http://norcaltruth.org/2011/04/15/structural-aspec...

I would suggest you study this video and reconsider your perspective.

-Camron

PS> I didn't get your name.  

Albury
Said this on 5-3-2011 At 10:23 pm

First of all, your precious ~2.25 seconds of free fall or very near free fall acceleration occurred from t=~1.75 seconds to t=~4 seconds, so it wasn't "the first 2.25 seconds," and since the acceleration was obviously much less prior to the interval you're referring to, as well as after it, what force of nature slowed the fall of the top of the parapet wall for those time periods? The NIST collapse modeling clearly shows the reason for the interval that Chandler's made a career out of obsessing over, and since you mistakenly think collapse time indicates the cause of a collapse, it's time for you to explain what force of nature cuts all of those columns and leaves only factory ends with plates and bolt holes, or columns ends showing the effects of other mechanical separating in the debris pile. 

It was poorly framed whether "hardened" or not, and when retrofitted armor was added there was no increase made in the number of interior columns to reduce the unusually long spans between them. You're basing your controlled demolition fantasies on numerous distortions of fact as well as outright lies from Richard Gage and other profiteering charlatans and glory hounds with no understanding of structural engineering or C/Ds, so please feel free to address the points I made in my post about him. If you didn't get my name, it's given here every time I post, at least until I get banned for some mysterious board etiquette violation or something equally ridiculous.  

Said this on 5-4-2011 At 12:09 am

So you won't share your name is what you are saying?  Also what exactly are your qualifications if any?  Are you certified? If so where. I'd like to know who it is I'm discussing the good work of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth with.  Albury do you have a last name? Do you live in Atlanta?  Just how did you find out about this blog?  Would you like to come to the event and ask an expert your questions?   For everyone enjoy this one sided flame assault.  Here is again more information.  Please make the time to watch yourself and ask yourself what really happened.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP9Qp5QWRMQ

PS> You never answered my question.

"I would be happy to address this but first you must pass a test yourself. How is it possible for Building 7 to fall through itself at free fall for the first 2.25 seconds as admitted by NIST?  This is for the first 108 ft or ~ 8 stories of the building.    What force in nature could remove simultaneously all of the core columns simultaneously to enable this "immaculate" implosion to occur given the known laws of physics?"

Albury
Said this on 5-4-2011 At 06:50 am
I have plenty of questions to ask your "experts," but they won't answer them, nor will you apparently. Since we're discussing the good work of these people:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/ 
what exactly are your qualifications, and where are you certified? Do you have a doctorate in structural engineering and PE certification? Chandler thinks timing collapses indicates what caused them, so he obviously doesn't. He's never even bothered to calculate the time the WTC facade collapse would have taken based on the NIST hypothesis, so what good is his over-analysis of the videos? If you're going to attach so much importance to the fact that gravity was working in NYC on 9/11, how did your "experts" get 6.5 or 6.6 seconds for the entire collapse, when the videos don't even show the whole thing, and NIST very accurately timed the top ~242' of the ~610' in ~5.4 seconds?
Your repeat question still makes the incorrect assumption that the free fall interval was "the first 2.25 seconds," so don't you even care that it wasn't? It also begs the question that all of the core columns were simultaneously removed, so it's obvious that you've never bothered to read NCSTAR 1A. The Probable Collapse Sequence indicates that the WTC 7 facade collapse did not have a sudden onset, but was a much slower process involving partial floor collapses and the buckling of interior columns well before the exterior began falling.
PS> You still haven't addressed even one of my questions about Gage's malarkey, and I posted them on May 1 @ 8:22 PM, so you've had well over 2 days to do it.  
Said this on 5-4-2011 At 01:52 pm

You've not actually bothered to watch any of the videos nor have you bothered to answer any questions.  Therefore there is really no hope of a conversation or constructive dialog in any way shape or form.  I know this is what your intentions are as you spam away on the board so I can't really feign surprise at your complete unwillingness to listen to what is being said.  Bottom line.  NIST will not debate the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, nor will any academic who is either an engineer or architect.  This simply reinforces the magnitude of the government's lies.  They make pronouncements but can't withstand any scientific scrutiny whatsoever.  Therefore they have to result to circular illogic in the form of trolls online and attempts at character assassination as that is all the liars have left.  It's really sad and pathetic what people will stoop too but hey theres a yin for every yang.  For anyone out there who wants to know, you can, and as you look you will run into parasites and vile things that though nameless cowards will try to conjure every emotional sabotage possible to avoid hearing the TRUTH.  My advice.  Trust your heart, and listen to all of the evidence and testimony from experts in every field imaginable, then find the courage and conviction to stand on the Truth.  "Albury" you don't want to know the Truth.  This much is obvious.  The videos I listed above, you haven't watched them obviously.  David Chandler points out very clearly that the attempt to retime the building's collapse is the most sophmoric hair splitting and the death spasm of intellectual and spiritual cowardice.  The building shakes before it is imploded, the analogy Mr. Chandler uses is that of a Drag racer shaking as it revs in place, do you start timing the car revving up behind the starting line or once it has passed the starting line?  Well if your NIST You start counting as soon as the accelerator is applied even if the brake is on.  Mr. Chandler is a physics teacher who made the government admit freefall with no budget and with online software.  So much for NIST wanting to find the truth.  Also why did they not look for explosives as is Standard Operating Procedure??  Just forgot on that day huh?  Albury you got some soul searching to do buddy.  I think you need to rethink your efforts and whether it is worth the negative Karma you are harvesting with your incessant lies, manipulation, and worse aiding and abetting the criminals responsible.  All you are doing is letting everyone see how mean, illogical and illegitimate your line of questioning really is.  Thank God for Building 7 being so obvious a controlled demolition.  Thank God for this grace.  We have more than enough proof and we are walking tall with it.  

Albury
Said this on 5-4-2011 At 08:19 pm

Chandler didn't make the government or the NIST civilian contractors investigating the collapses "admit" anything, Camron, he simply took an irrelevant detail to a ridiculous extreme. Neither of you has any understanding of structural engineering, and instead of libeling, slandering, and harassing competent SEs and other experts, you should be listening to them if you have any interest at all in the truth about the WTC collapses. Your failure to read and understand their reports is no indication that they're wrong, and the NIST people have more than adequately answered any legitimate questions from your 9/11 "truth movement" and others about their methods and conclusions.

You're basing your claim that WTC 7's collapse was "so obviously a controlled demolition" on one characteristic of a controlled demolition, i.e. the fact that it fell down just as a building demolished with explosives does. What would it have done if the Probable Collapse Sequence in NCSTAR 1A had occurred? Here's a possibility for you to consider:

http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/911NutPhysics0.HTM

My apologies for all of that "negative karma" you think I'm exuding, and it's up to you if you want to continue to  display your ignorance and paranoia publicly, but instead of resorting to petty insults and name-calling on here, I provided ample material several days ago for you to discuss intelligently, so please give that a try if you're so convinced of your claims. NIST clearly explained its methodologies for deriving the ~5.4 seconds for the first ~242' of the ~610' collapse of WTC 7's exterior and what was left of its interior, so why can't Gage, Ryan, Steven Jones, and others show us exactly how they got 6.5 or 6.6 seconds for the entire collapse? That's one of many questions I have about the claims from you and your "researchers," and I posted quite a few others on May 1. Read my questions and do your own "soul searching." Your failure to answer them speaks for itself.

Said this on 5-4-2011 At 08:58 pm

Tell me your name Albury.  Show me you can be Truthful.

Albury
Said this on 5-4-2011 At 10:05 pm

My full name is not one of the "9/11 Questions [that] Linger Ten Years Later," to remind you of the topic here, Camron, and I've posted a number of very pertinent and on-topic questions about something you claim is of great interest to you. Show me that you're even capable of intelligent discussion.

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